How come a muslima can not make choices or take decisions on her own ?

Why there's always someone superior over her deciding for her,
or at least intervening in her decisions?

Why should she always live in this fear and uncertainty?

It is surely not Islam that has imposed this on a muslima
but rather the unacceptable behavior of some muslims who wrongly perceive and apply many of the rulings........

It is not Islam that has made the muslima a deprived creature
It is not Islam that has put the muslima in this low status

because they think they are "REGAL" having "Qawama"

In many places of the Muslim Ummah religion and tradition have become intertwined. That's where the problem lies!! If Muslims truly understood their religion , non of these infringements would occur.

Salam 3alaykoum,
The problem is that our ummah is stretched between two extremes. Either men have the superiority complex and wanted to implement all their customs under islamic clothes. Or there are so flexible that they have no norms in their lives.

This problem that you are talking about , sista, is the problem of most eastern countries even non muslims. It might be due to ignorance and it might have been done on purpose in the past in order to make these societies explode at one point of time.

excuse me but I have to say:


Let them be "true-muslim-males" ,
then the muslima would delightfully acknowledge their "qawama


but in their current status they* really do not desrve this qawama

*
they: refers to those who prevent the muslima from practicing her "islamic" rights

salam

It seems u ratify the qawama concept?

and how do you perceive the qawama

and how do you perceive the qawama
Somehow similar to that bird standing on the head of his female :D

I am joking and In sha2 Allah we fulfil the duty of men and we deserve to be called MEN.

who you are?

who you are?

I am myself. I am talking about men in here and not about sisters.

men in here, is this right grammatically?

anyway, I asked because you said "we" not "I". If you know your duty ,others do not.All they know is that they are men, so they are superior to us.

Sub7an Allah I was just answering another email in French about Qawama and superiority. On a french mailing list, someone sent a fatwa for Sheikh Mounajid and it was translated using the wrong terms.

Qawama is not superiority

but unfortunately in our countries it is superiority.

excuse me but I have to say:



Let them be "true-muslim-males" ,
then the muslima would delightfully acknowledge their "qawama


but in their current status they* really do not desrve this qawama


*
they: refers to those who prevent the muslima from practicing her "islamic" rights



salam

be careful sister not to venture into a prohibited zone.
When Allah (SWT) said :
الرجال قوامون على النساء
He (SWT) did not make it conditional. What you said remains true in principle but not as a pre-reqisite for the qawama.

be careful sister not to venture into a prohibited zone.
When Allah (SWT) said :
الرجال قوامون على النساء
He (SWT) did not make it conditional. What you said remains true in principle but not as a pre-reqisite for the qawama.
Let me disagree with you ya Amir. What is the definition of MEN in the hadeeth؟

which Hadeeth??
we are talking about the aya

which Hadeeth??
we are talking about the aya
Sorry I am still mixing with the other discussion in the french list.
The same question applies here as well. What is the definition of MEN in the AYA

there is no definition of "men" in the aya. Many scholars have different definitions. I wrote an article on this subject many years ago arguing that the word "men" was mentioned four times in the Qur2an and used the other three times to explain the on in the aya we are discussing here.

But all these tafseers are just means of giving insight into the aya and not put conditions on the matter of qawama. Please remember that I am talking as a matter of principle and that I totally agree with sisters in asking for true muslim men. The only difference is that I am saying that a sister does not have the right to refuse qawama because the man does not measure up to her standards.

there is no definition of "men" in the aya. Many scholars have different definitions. I wrote an article on this subject many years ago arguing that the word "men" was mentioned four times in the Qur2an and used the other three times to explain the on in the aya we are discussing here.

But all these tafseers are just means of giving insight into the aya and not put conditions on the matter of qawama. Please remember that I am talking as a matter of principle and that I totally agree with sisters in asking for true muslim men. The only difference is that I am saying that a sister does not have the right to refuse qawama because the man does not measure up to her standards.
For the sake of argument, I will say that you are contradicting yourself ya Amir.
Quran explains istelf. Hence, the other three are the real explanation of what we are looking for. Why can't we declare what Quawama is and break this bubble once and for good.

For the sake of argument, I will say that you are contradicting yourself ya Amir.
Quran explains istelf. Hence, the other three are the real explanation of what we are looking for. Why can't we declare what Quawama is and break this bubble once and for good.


For the sake of argument, do whatever makes you happy, it seems accusing me of continuously contradicting myself makes you happy.....so enjoy!! :)i

But there is absolutely no contradiction. There is a big difference between assuming that the other three instances where men were mentioned explain the fourth one in such a way that makes it obligatory upon men to possess these qualities before earning their right to qawama on one hand, and saying that it is strongly recommended that they do which is the position that the majority of scholars have taken on the issue.i

This is so because of the fundamental rule that requires clear and direct evidence for constricting the general meaning. The aya speaks of men and women in general and there is no evidence constricting it to any one kind of men or of women.

I hope the idea is clear.

as far as I understood the aya or as it was explained to me
the qawama was specified in certain things that are mentioned in the aya itself

like: spending money ( infaaq) , and other things

الرجال قوامون على النساء .. بماذا؟
أكمل الآية

I want to make myself more clear

Doesn't the qawama become "expired" when the mahram becomes a non practicing muslim?
don't we have some cases that the imam would be "waly amr" for the muslima that doesn't have a good practicing-muslim-mahram even if this is her brother or even father?

?is my message still ambigious
am I still failing to deliver what I wanted to say
?
salam

asalamoalykom

my dear sister i got what you want to say ,but our brothers' not yet.
i need to read what they wrote again.